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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.imjontucker.com/yellow-pages-advertising-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Dimitri. That&#039;s good that you&#039;re actually measuring the performance- many people seem to buy yellowpage ads just because they &quot;always have&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Dimitri. That&#8217;s good that you&#8217;re actually measuring the performance- many people seem to buy yellowpage ads just because they &#8220;always have&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DimitriAust</title>
		<link>http://www.imjontucker.com/yellow-pages-advertising-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-1854</link>
		<dc:creator>DimitriAust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yellow Pages - total waste of money, both online and printed. It is going down since Sensis took over. This year I did not recover even half of the Yellow Pages advertisement cost. I have more international marking calls then actual customers. If you earn less then $100 per customer - forget Yellow Pages - go online. Who reads Yellow Pages anymore ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yellow Pages &#8211; total waste of money, both online and printed. It is going down since Sensis took over. This year I did not recover even half of the Yellow Pages advertisement cost. I have more international marking calls then actual customers. If you earn less then $100 per customer &#8211; forget Yellow Pages &#8211; go online. Who reads Yellow Pages anymore ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.imjontucker.com/yellow-pages-advertising-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-421</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jennifer. Interesting perspective with your stats. Thanks for sharing. Referral business is definitely golden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jennifer. Interesting perspective with your stats. Thanks for sharing. Referral business is definitely golden.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Holbrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Holbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I have kept track of all of our marketing....direct mail does not work for our type of business.  But to the real deal.....really think long and hard about advertising in any yellow pages.  We advertised in one of the largest books for several years and even after they made a mistake on one of our ads we continued the next year with them.  However this time, we did a tracking number because they were so convincing that their book works.

For several thousands of dollars that year we received 162 unique calls.  It averaged $154.32 per call.  However, our website averages over 400 unique visits per month and they are averaging 2.5 minutes on our site.  That is way longer than someone is looking at our very expensive ad in the yellow pages.  

I&#039;m a firm believer in referral business, word of mouth, lettering your vehicles if it applies and getting involved in your local community.  We still advertised in two smaller books this year which was much less money, however we are even considering not doing that next renewal.  It&#039;s free to have your listing in there or pay the minimum to put your name, address and website.  Ask every customer how they heard of your business.  We send feedback forms out to most customers and it asks right on there how they heard about us.  You would be shocked to see how little comes from the phone books/yellow pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I have kept track of all of our marketing&#8230;.direct mail does not work for our type of business.  But to the real deal&#8230;..really think long and hard about advertising in any yellow pages.  We advertised in one of the largest books for several years and even after they made a mistake on one of our ads we continued the next year with them.  However this time, we did a tracking number because they were so convincing that their book works.</p>
<p>For several thousands of dollars that year we received 162 unique calls.  It averaged $154.32 per call.  However, our website averages over 400 unique visits per month and they are averaging 2.5 minutes on our site.  That is way longer than someone is looking at our very expensive ad in the yellow pages.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a firm believer in referral business, word of mouth, lettering your vehicles if it applies and getting involved in your local community.  We still advertised in two smaller books this year which was much less money, however we are even considering not doing that next renewal.  It&#8217;s free to have your listing in there or pay the minimum to put your name, address and website.  Ask every customer how they heard of your business.  We send feedback forms out to most customers and it asks right on there how they heard about us.  You would be shocked to see how little comes from the phone books/yellow pages.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes i agree the yellow pages are rubbish what is the best way to get good traffic to my web site as i find it hard to contact google we are always at the top of the page but dont many clicks help thanks again jon pat brock</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes i agree the yellow pages are rubbish what is the best way to get good traffic to my web site as i find it hard to contact google we are always at the top of the page but dont many clicks help thanks again jon pat brock</p>
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		<title>By: CapeLinks Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>CapeLinks Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Measuring ROI: Customer Acquisition Cost...&lt;/strong&gt;

What is a new customer worth to your business? Do you know what it costs you to acquire a new customer? If you said no, how do you expect to measure the return on your advertising dollars? If you are serious about growing your business, you need to sta...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Measuring ROI: Customer Acquisition Cost&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>What is a new customer worth to your business? Do you know what it costs you to acquire a new customer? If you said no, how do you expect to measure the return on your advertising dollars? If you are serious about growing your business, you need to sta&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Yves. Yes, it&#039;s important to track, improve, track, improve, on and on. That&#039;s the joy of marketing these days is that everything is trackable one way or another. It&#039;s amazing.

I&#039;ve enjoyed exchanging thoughts with you via email lately. It seems that we think alike...always nice to meet other like-minded internet entrepreneurs. Good to see you online at the webinar today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Yves. Yes, it&#8217;s important to track, improve, track, improve, on and on. That&#8217;s the joy of marketing these days is that everything is trackable one way or another. It&#8217;s amazing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed exchanging thoughts with you via email lately. It seems that we think alike&#8230;always nice to meet other like-minded internet entrepreneurs. Good to see you online at the webinar today.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Baggi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Baggi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

You got the facts right, 

Tracking is great, improving is better.
Tracking visits and click-through rates
is tool to measure how a campaign is doing.

Throwing away the whole campaign because
of bad numbers is not the first thing I would do.
The YP ads usueally blow big time. Becuase of
theses 3 factors:
     No USP      
        (why should they do business with you)
     No Irresistible Offer           
       (get something for free that educates them on what to look out of .... 
        in exchage for their email or contact info)
     No Clear Call To Action      
        (coupons are a good start but &quot;Call before Sunday for the 
          YP callin special valid for 60 days)
     No Clear Call To Action      
        (coupons are a good start but &quot;Call before Sunday for the 
          YP call-in special valid for 60 days, or go to the websit for the Web special)
     Mediocre copy

The YP reps hate it when you put a direct response ad in there because that means
you can track and will and that&#039;s usually why advertizers pull their ads. The best we
go on YP ads was a 4.2:1 return. Some we can&#039;t get anything out of for our clients
because of their industry. But imagine, if you get a 4:1 return, you may think this 
is great, but truely, you can&#039;t scale that. 

Because spending twice as much won&#039;t get you twiecethe business. So even if
they spend 5k/yr in YP ads, all they&#039;re gonna get is $20k/yr in gross revenue.

The target for our client is 15:1 returns on the money they spend on online
and offline marketing.

So first he could have tried to change the profile to a direct response 
w call to action ad.

Track that and then change the offer, change the call to action etc.
test test test test.

But I agree that even that would probably have not pulled enough
business to justify the maintenance cost in time and dollars.

Yves Baggi
http://www.15MinutesBusinessMarketing.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>You got the facts right, </p>
<p>Tracking is great, improving is better.<br />
Tracking visits and click-through rates<br />
is tool to measure how a campaign is doing.</p>
<p>Throwing away the whole campaign because<br />
of bad numbers is not the first thing I would do.<br />
The YP ads usueally blow big time. Becuase of<br />
theses 3 factors:<br />
     No USP<br />
        (why should they do business with you)<br />
     No Irresistible Offer<br />
       (get something for free that educates them on what to look out of &#8230;.<br />
        in exchage for their email or contact info)<br />
     No Clear Call To Action<br />
        (coupons are a good start but &#8220;Call before Sunday for the<br />
          YP callin special valid for 60 days)<br />
     No Clear Call To Action<br />
        (coupons are a good start but &#8220;Call before Sunday for the<br />
          YP call-in special valid for 60 days, or go to the websit for the Web special)<br />
     Mediocre copy</p>
<p>The YP reps hate it when you put a direct response ad in there because that means<br />
you can track and will and that&#8217;s usually why advertizers pull their ads. The best we<br />
go on YP ads was a 4.2:1 return. Some we can&#8217;t get anything out of for our clients<br />
because of their industry. But imagine, if you get a 4:1 return, you may think this<br />
is great, but truely, you can&#8217;t scale that. </p>
<p>Because spending twice as much won&#8217;t get you twiecethe business. So even if<br />
they spend 5k/yr in YP ads, all they&#8217;re gonna get is $20k/yr in gross revenue.</p>
<p>The target for our client is 15:1 returns on the money they spend on online<br />
and offline marketing.</p>
<p>So first he could have tried to change the profile to a direct response<br />
w call to action ad.</p>
<p>Track that and then change the offer, change the call to action etc.<br />
test test test test.</p>
<p>But I agree that even that would probably have not pulled enough<br />
business to justify the maintenance cost in time and dollars.</p>
<p>Yves Baggi<br />
<a href="http://www.15MinutesBusinessMarketing.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.15MinutesBusinessMarketing.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.imjontucker.com/yellow-pages-advertising-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Toni. Yes, analytics reports are painful at times but an important part of business. We were lucky to have them in this case. If we had been in a position where we didn&#039;t have the analytics for the past year or two, then we may have had to keep running the ads just to test their effectiveness instead of pulling them right away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Toni. Yes, analytics reports are painful at times but an important part of business. We were lucky to have them in this case. If we had been in a position where we didn&#8217;t have the analytics for the past year or two, then we may have had to keep running the ads just to test their effectiveness instead of pulling them right away.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.imjontucker.com/yellow-pages-advertising-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Julie. I agree that all advertising should be tracked. I&#039;m a bit of a data junkie and love seeing what&#039;s working and what&#039;s not, and always making improvements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Julie. I agree that all advertising should be tracked. I&#8217;m a bit of a data junkie and love seeing what&#8217;s working and what&#8217;s not, and always making improvements.</p>
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